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    Would you pay £3.5K for this vintage unit?!

    An interesting unit on Ebay at the moment; a 1978 Jamet folder in, um, rather unconventional decor! With a MIRO of only 550 and MTPLM of 650, towable by a small car, but according to the blurb, although it has been fitted with an EHU system there seems to be little else of practical equipment available. Not even mention of a leisure battery. The windows look as though they are the original single-glazed variety. In its favour it does have new wheels and 'struts', I'm not sure whether the seller means the ones that aid folding, or steadies. Also, the payload is very poor so by the time you've loaded up that huge awning and habitation equipment you'll probably have exceeded it.

    Perhaps someone who is into vintage caravans will fall in love with it, but I can't see it realising the asking price!

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Esterel-A....c100005.m1851

    emmerson might be able to tell us how enthusiastic someone might be about buying an expensive and only partially-equipped folder!, him being a Retro fan. Also on Ebay at the moment is a folder I've never heard of before, a 'Prompto', but that's a renovation project which obviously has a damp issue.
    Cynthia.

    #2
    It's interesting, but not at that price. When all's said and done, you can decorate an old caravan within an inch of it's life, but it's still an old caravan. You can call it vintage or classic if you like, but it's still... an old caravan. I would want to know about the chassis and towbar, the braking system and know that it had a current safety certificate for the running gear. I would want to know if it was damp anywhere, you can hide an awful lot with stick on wallpaper and stuff. The struts will most likely be for the pop top roof, I have gas struts to aid in lifting the roof on my (classic, vintage), old caravan.

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      #3
      I think I must be a bit dim. A few years ago I sold my Alpine Sprite (1970s) for £50 and a Conway trailer tent (1970s) for about the same, although the tent bit had a few moth holes. I have been given things by people on here or bought things for a very reasonable price. I thought that is what I would do when selling my old camping stuff.

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        #4
        Not dim izzy , just honest! i think there's an awful lot of stuff out there on the market place that's not fit for purpose or has simply passed its sell-by date, but which, as jayjay points out, gets plastered with sticky-backed plastic or thick wallpaper in the hope that no one comes along with a damp meter and finds the unit is rotten! I would hope that no matter how enthusiastic I felt about an older model of caravan, that i would want to check it was actually fit for purpose! However i got caught myself earlier this year when I bought an ageing Elddis. All its running gear was in good order and the gas had been safety-checked but at the first sign of heavy rain it leaked like the proverbial sieve!

        With the benefit of hindsight I wish I had approached that situation differently. Instead of just accepting the refund I was offered I should have explored other options re: getting the leaks sorted. I think it could have saved me a lot of money in the long run.... Oh well, all water under the bridge now (or in the Elddis!) We learn by our mistakes. Or some of us do, anyway. Seems to take a long time for things to sink in where I'm concerned.
        Cynthia.

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          #5
          Cynthia
          I was properly conned with my last motorhome. It should have been an exciting and enjoyable time but it turned into frustration and me being mad at myself being conned and lied to and me trusting him. It took me years and years to put it to a very high standard and the person who bought the van off me loved it and he got it for what I paid, unfortunately it had taken me lots of time and money. Let us hope that the people we have dealt with are in the minority.
          Izzy

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            #6
            To answer your original question, Cynthia, no I would not! As you know only too well, the folder market is quite small, so a sale item would have to be very good to find a buyer, and this one, imo, is very off-putting! The seller seems to think it's stunning, but personally, I'd have nightmares trying to sleep in it!
            As for the outside, well, beauty and beholder comes to mind, but again I think he has destroyed what may have been a nice unit. Not for me, and I think our seller is in for a rude awakening. But of course, there may just be two people out there who are just desperate to get their hands on it!

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              #7
              If you want old / classic / vintage stuff the only way to go about it is to pay peanuts for a heap of junk and restore it yourself.
              Yes, it's a lot of work. Don't expect to make a fat profit out of it, you will probably loose a lot of money in the long run, but if you start at the beginning and do the job properly, you will end up with a decently restored whatever it is you started out with.

              Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who think that they can make a killing out of half doing the job and flogging it off as being far more valuable than it is. If the job is done properly, it should look exactly as it did when it left the factory.

              If I buy a heap of scrap. it starts out as a heap of scrap - worthless. Sometimes I get lucky and once it's cleaned up, it is in better condition than I thought, but I generally expect to have to work on it. My enjoyment comes out of finding out how things were made in the past, and how various manufacturers got around problems without infringing someone else's patent. It's also nice to find proper castings or brass fittings where you would find cheap and nasty plastic which falls apart as soon as you look at it on modern stuff.

              Restoring vintage stuff is not about making money. The enjoyment comes out of seeing the improvement you've made, and knowing you've extended its lifetime. Not modifications or bringing it up to date. To me, shabby chick is exactly what it says on the can. Shabby!

              Just a few thoughts.....

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                #8
                To my mind it is not Classic / Vintage whatever. To fall into that category surely it should be restored to original -so that it looks as though it has just rolled out of the factory in 1978. As others have said the Shaby Chic hidesa multitude of sins - and in my opinion looks tacky - it certainly does not make it command a premium.
                Jon
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                  #9
                  No I wouldn't. This is a test to see if my posts work after clearing my cache.
                  suivez l'aventure

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by emmerson View Post
                    To answer your original question, Cynthia, no I would not! As you know only too well, the folder market is quite small, so a sale item would have to be very good to find a buyer, and this one, imo, is very off-putting! The seller seems to think it's stunning, but personally, I'd have nightmares trying to sleep in it!
                    As for the outside, well, beauty and beholder comes to mind, but again I think he has destroyed what may have been a nice unit. Not for me, and I think our seller is in for a rude awakening. But of course, there may just be two people out there who are just desperate to get their hands on it!
                    Exactly! things are really only worth what someone is willing to pay for them and as you say, maybe there's someone out there who likes quirky stuff and enjoys the attention a unique item might attract, who'll buy this strange upgrade (if you can call it that) or the vendor is going to end up with egg on his face, especially if it hasn't been safety-checked. MYKE and kernowjon I agree entirely, and I think emmerson would too, that restoration involves bringing a unit back to its original condition, including when possible, original fittings. That's why I liked the old Elddis I bought last year, it was quite an oldie (1990) but in original condition. Just a shame about the tsunami through the front windows!

                    Thanks for your interest and comments folks. I'll be interested to see whether this old folder sells.
                    Cynthia.

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                      #11
                      I blame Cath Kidston, people now seem to buy an older caravan as a play house for the kids in the garden. Slap loads of paint on it, cover the walls with fancy wallpaper and then recover the upholstery with terrible floral prints. The kids play in it for a year and get bored, then they try and sell it on as a vintage caravan !
                      It is a crying shame because some of the caravans abused are real classics and rare. Sorry rant over.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by fenman View Post
                        I blame Cath Kidston, people now seem to buy an older caravan as a play house for the kids in the garden. Slap loads of paint on it, cover the walls with fancy wallpaper and then recover the upholstery with terrible floral prints. The kids play in it for a year and get bored, then they try and sell it on as a vintage caravan !
                        It is a crying shame because some of the caravans abused are real classics and rare. Sorry rant over.
                        As a Retro caravanner of 25 years experience, I would agree up to a point, fenman. But, surely what the owner of an object, any object, does with it is solely his/her concern? I know a man who had a series one Land Rover station wagon, rarer than a rare thing, but he cut the front off to make a three-wheeler! But to do something like that, or paint your van in outlandish colours, and then expect it to be valuable is a bit optimistic.
                        But, as in all things in life, to each his own!

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                          #13
                          image_16365.jpg My old 1954 Morris Minor Traveller which I sold about five years ago for five and a half grand is currently in the hands of a specialist dealer and advertised on their website. Their photos show the car in exactly the state it was in when I sold it, and they are threatening to completely restore it with an MG 1300 engine and twin carbs, and to replace the best original gearbox with a later type which they claim to be better. What they are proposing to do will completely ruin one of the last remaining early Travellers and for that they have set the price at between £13 and £18000.
                          It makes me cringe but there's nothing I can do except regret parting with it in the first place.

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