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    #46
    Swamps, I think from your posts the van (whatever it is) will be your sole vehicle as mine is - in which case the insurance is a bit higher - Insurance Companies never loose.
    Also as it is your first vehicle you will have no NCD.
    Jon
    Amor omnia vincit et nos cedamus amori
    https://smallromahome2oldies1largedo...logspot.co.uk/

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      #47
      Sorry i have not been about much, has been hectic this end !

      thank you guys so much for all your input.

      I have gone full circle and am now back looking at a C15 nu venture

      i think i have found one in my price range with 80k on the clock but has rust on the bulk head , and im not to sure if it is to much rust and if it is fixable !!!

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        #48
        Autosleepers hold their price very well, even 20+ year old ones still fetch silly prices. If you are working to a budget I would forget the Mitsubishi - I have an Outlander, only a 2.4 engine, but the insurance and VED are very expensive - VED is £305 p.a. and my insurance is twice as much as my VW campervan (VED £245).

        The Nu Venture C15 isn't built like a Romahome, it's more like a caravan build, sandwich panels rather than one piece fibreglass, and water ingress in the panels can be a problem.

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          #49
          Hello Swamps,

          Some areas to consider which might help you steer towards your optimum vehicle.
          Size
          I have not seen how many you want your van to accommodate. Apologies if I have missed that in one of your posts but I will assume you would have mentioned kids so either a solo traveller or yourself plus partner.
          I think almost any van or MPV could work for a solo traveller but a very small van can be annoying for a couple. The two of us tired of transforming four travelling seats into two berths. A solo traveller could have a fixed berth along one side and whatever facilities you require along the other.
          Age
          With a limited budget there can still be some bargains to find. A high mileage newer van with more emission controls could turn out to be a bargain but if repairs should be required a common rail diesel with ECU is likely to be much more expensive to fix than one with a mechanical pump and injectors.
          All of the older vans will have some rust. I do not have definite dates for when improved corrosion protection came in but read elsewhere that Renault Master and Trafic vans had this from about 2004. Vauxhall and Nissan equivalents are basically the same vans with different badges.
          The Sevel vans, built in a joint venture between PSA and Fiat had improved protection shortly after: Ducato, Boxer, Relay. Scudo, Expert, Dispatch. Also more recently the Toyota Proace.
          Having said that the 1999 Expert van I had was surprisingly rust free. The rust around the rising roof hinges was a result of that modification and I think you would be unlucky to find rust in the roof of an Expert etc without that or a similar intervention. The only other place I found to be affected by rust was the metalwork behind the rear wheelarch which is “shotblasted” by grit and water thrown up by the rear wheels.
          Ford, LDV and Mercedes Benz vehicles seem to have lagged behind although I often see these vans with rusty bodywork still going about their daily business. I do recall reading that the Vito W639 was "partly" galvanised up to middle of 2005 and from 2006 model year were fully galvanised.
          I believe that the bodywork of vans which are frequently washed, e.g. those used as taxis and minibuses and have their minor scratches etc attended to last better. Those vehicles may also have more frequent inspections of their running gear.
          Stealth or Motor Caravan?
          Advantages of having a van reclassified as a Motor Caravan are: lower (in general) insurance premiums; speed limits as cars rather than vans; Class 4 MoT although not an issue with small camper vans.
          To have your V5C (log book) changed you must comply with the requirements set out here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-a-diy-caravan
          If you do not meet the requirements including the requirement to look like a motor caravan DVLA will not amend your log book. However there are no written rules about how a motor caravan should look! If you are not bothered either way there are brokers who can arrange cover for vans that are part converted or don’t quite meet the regs. Just be sure to inform the insurer exactly what modifications you have made.
          Choices
          Can’t help you with this as the van must suit your personal needs and preferences and be in good condition. I believe all vans have their pros and cons and in your price band should be bought on condition rather than make or model. I was quite certain that I would never have a Vivaro due to the problems with injectors etc which were brought to the attention of the public in general by the BBC Watchdog programme, I now have a Trafic – same van different badges but with the 2011 phase 3 improvements which I hope will make it reliable. Most important is that it is the right size. Other vans we considered big enough for two but small enough to park outside our house were the Peugeot Expert L2H2, The Mercedes Vito and the SWB Transit Tourneo.

          Practical Motorhome magazine have been running a series of short reviews of older motorhomes, the current issue looks at some based on the Fiat Ducato (1981–93) /Citroen C25/Peugeot J5/Talbot Express (1982-94) vans built in the Sevel joint venture factory in Italy. We looked at one some years ago, it had everything we needed, went very well but was too big for our parking space and rather bigger than I wanted to drive.

          Practical Motorhome ran a series called “Motorcaravanning for less than £2000” in which a 1977 Auto-Sleeper Leyland Sherpa was bought for £825 and made fit for use by their writer’s daughter and grandson:
          https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/a...-2000-part-one

          The LDV vans were reportedly reliable, in some years the most reliable vans in the UK. Seems to be a Marmite van some people hated them and certainly not as nice to drive as later designs.
          If value for money is a high priority would something like this be of interest? Low miles and the MoT record looks ok but a petrol version.
          https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263778553...ue3&rmvSB=true

          There are others with diesel engines, the 1.9L Peugeot and the 2.4L Ford engines.. The Pilot 200 is the smaller version, the Convoy 400 is bigger. Many ex school or similar use minibuses are about. This one is newer, turbo diesel but more miles. MoT record mixed:
          https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-vehi...=newsnow.co.uk

          Finally, we did also look at a New Venture C15 camper van of size and layout similar to a Romahome. It was in poor condition and needed a lot of work to make useable. As Caz said the build quality was poor compared to a Romahome.

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            #50
            Great advice and a

            lot to think about , eh Swamps!

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              #51
              dozydave1963 WOW..you're not wrong!!

              Misted Thank you so much

              I started a new thread regarding a C15 '94 80k Nu Venture that was up for grabs on fleabay, after lots of help form the good people here I desided that I would buy it! So i did!
              It needed a bit of welding doing to it on the door seal, so the chap who is selling it got his welder to do it for me (the seller is a mechanic !) turns out it didn't need cutting out but he did it anyway.
              the bulk head needs looking at but his welder hasn't got the time to do it, but will give me a price to do it so i have a guide to work to when i bring it back up country , as it currently is stowed in bedford and I'm at Durham. there are a few tiny patches of surface rust on the doors and bonnet that ill do my self.
              As for the habitat , well it clean and tidy and has a gas fired air blown night heater which will do me for this year, but will be replaced with a diesel fired heater and boiler next year as well as all the other internal fittings.
              I will also look into moving the barn door more to the left hand side rather than it being in the centre! Have no idea if this is possible but it can not hurt to find out!

              so all in all i think that for my first vehicle its not to bad for 2500 pound plus 50 pound for the welding, no fridge but is not the end of the world.

              I'm also thinking about having a second tank fitted and seeing if i can run it on veg oil!

              Again thank you very much for all your help on this project, I would never have been able to make this choice with out your help. So thank you heaps


              Brian + Lucky

              P.S I am taking my driving test this saturday I know I know .....cart before horse and all that

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                #52
                Originally posted by swamps View Post
                dozydave1963 WOW..you're not wrong!!

                Misted Thank you so much

                I started a new thread regarding a C15 '94 80k Nu Venture that was up for grabs on fleabay, after lots of help form the good people here I desided that I would buy it! So i did!
                It needed a bit of welding doing to it on the door seal, so the chap who is selling it got his welder to do it for me (the seller is a mechanic !) turns out it didn't need cutting out but he did it anyway.
                the bulk head needs looking at but his welder hasn't got the time to do it, but will give me a price to do it so i have a guide to work to when i bring it back up country , as it currently is stowed in bedford and I'm at Durham. there are a few tiny patches of surface rust on the doors and bonnet that ill do my self.
                As for the habitat , well it clean and tidy and has a gas fired air blown night heater which will do me for this year, but will be replaced with a diesel fired heater and boiler next year as well as all the other internal fittings.
                I will also look into moving the barn door more to the left hand side rather than it being in the centre! Have no idea if this is possible but it can not hurt to find out!

                so all in all i think that for my first vehicle its not to bad for 2500 pound plus 50 pound for the welding, no fridge but is not the end of the world.

                I'm also thinking about having a second tank fitted and seeing if i can run it on veg oil!

                Again thank you very much for all your help on this project, I would never have been able to make this choice with out your help. So thank you heaps


                Brian + Lucky

                P.S I am taking my driving test this saturday I know I know .....cart before horse and all that
                The very best of luck, with all of it. Keep us posted. And Congratulations! New C15 owner.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Misted View Post
                  Hello Swamps,

                  Some areas to consider which might help you steer towards your optimum vehicle.
                  Size
                  I have not seen how many you want your van to accommodate. Apologies if I have missed that in one of your posts but I will assume you would have mentioned kids so either a solo traveller or yourself plus partner.
                  I think almost any van or MPV could work for a solo traveller but a very small van can be annoying for a couple. The two of us tired of transforming four travelling seats into two berths. A solo traveller could have a fixed berth along one side and whatever facilities you require along the other.
                  Age
                  With a limited budget there can still be some bargains to find. A high mileage newer van with more emission controls could turn out to be a bargain but if repairs should be required a common rail diesel with ECU is likely to be much more expensive to fix than one with a mechanical pump and injectors.
                  All of the older vans will have some rust. I do not have definite dates for when improved corrosion protection came in but read elsewhere that Renault Master and Trafic vans had this from about 2004. Vauxhall and Nissan equivalents are basically the same vans with different badges.
                  The Sevel vans, built in a joint venture between PSA and Fiat had improved protection shortly after: Ducato, Boxer, Relay. Scudo, Expert, Dispatch. Also more recently the Toyota Proace.
                  Having said that the 1999 Expert van I had was surprisingly rust free. The rust around the rising roof hinges was a result of that modification and I think you would be unlucky to find rust in the roof of an Expert etc without that or a similar intervention. The only other place I found to be affected by rust was the metalwork behind the rear wheelarch which is “shotblasted” by grit and water thrown up by the rear wheels.
                  Ford, LDV and Mercedes Benz vehicles seem to have lagged behind although I often see these vans with rusty bodywork still going about their daily business. I do recall reading that the Vito W639 was "partly" galvanised up to middle of 2005 and from 2006 model year were fully galvanised.
                  I believe that the bodywork of vans which are frequently washed, e.g. those used as taxis and minibuses and have their minor scratches etc attended to last better. Those vehicles may also have more frequent inspections of their running gear.
                  Stealth or Motor Caravan?
                  Advantages of having a van reclassified as a Motor Caravan are: lower (in general) insurance premiums; speed limits as cars rather than vans; Class 4 MoT although not an issue with small camper vans.
                  To have your V5C (log book) changed you must comply with the requirements set out here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-a-diy-caravan
                  If you do not meet the requirements including the requirement to look like a motor caravan DVLA will not amend your log book. However there are no written rules about how a motor caravan should look! If you are not bothered either way there are brokers who can arrange cover for vans that are part converted or don’t quite meet the regs. Just be sure to inform the insurer exactly what modifications you have made.
                  Choices
                  Can’t help you with this as the van must suit your personal needs and preferences and be in good condition. I believe all vans have their pros and cons and in your price band should be bought on condition rather than make or model. I was quite certain that I would never have a Vivaro due to the problems with injectors etc which were brought to the attention of the public in general by the BBC Watchdog programme, I now have a Trafic – same van different badges but with the 2011 phase 3 improvements which I hope will make it reliable. Most important is that it is the right size. Other vans we considered big enough for two but small enough to park outside our house were the Peugeot Expert L2H2, The Mercedes Vito and the SWB Transit Tourneo.

                  Practical Motorhome magazine have been running a series of short reviews of older motorhomes, the current issue looks at some based on the Fiat Ducato (1981–93) /Citroen C25/Peugeot J5/Talbot Express (1982-94) vans built in the Sevel joint venture factory in Italy. We looked at one some years ago, it had everything we needed, went very well but was too big for our parking space and rather bigger than I wanted to drive.

                  Practical Motorhome ran a series called “Motorcaravanning for less than £2000” in which a 1977 Auto-Sleeper Leyland Sherpa was bought for £825 and made fit for use by their writer’s daughter and grandson:
                  https://www.practicalmotorhome.com/a...-2000-part-one

                  The LDV vans were reportedly reliable, in some years the most reliable vans in the UK. Seems to be a Marmite van some people hated them and certainly not as nice to drive as later designs.
                  If value for money is a high priority would something like this be of interest? Low miles and the MoT record looks ok but a petrol version.
                  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263778553...ue3&rmvSB=true

                  There are others with diesel engines, the 1.9L Peugeot and the 2.4L Ford engines.. The Pilot 200 is the smaller version, the Convoy 400 is bigger. Many ex school or similar use minibuses are about. This one is newer, turbo diesel but more miles. MoT record mixed:
                  https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-vehi...=newsnow.co.uk

                  Finally, we did also look at a New Venture C15 camper van of size and layout similar to a Romahome. It was in poor condition and needed a lot of work to make useable. As Caz said the build quality was poor compared to a Romahome.
                  Read that piece from practical camper, it's a great story. It certainly reminded me why I got into this in the first place!

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                    #54
                    Swamps, Sorry I missed your other thread. I could not have been of assistance as I don’t have the detailed knowledge of C15s that your other contributors have.

                    Congratulations on finding a van that suits you and at what sounds like a very good price. Fingers crossed everything goes well with the rust and best of luck with the driving test.

                    Look forward to seeing some pictures of your Nu Venture when you have time. If I recall correctly the Nu Venture had one over the Romahome in that it was actually possible to stand upright inside it.

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                      #55
                      Hello Again guys and gals,
                      Sooo, it took me 3 attempts to pass my test but all done now .
                      I drove the old girl 300 miles yesterday and although i wont be getting any speeding tickets it is fun to drive, but now i have found loads of things that need doing to it, the windscreen leaks etc .
                      but still at least i have my first camper
                      hope to see you guys on the road some time.
                      And a huge thank you to you all for all your help and friendly welcome.

                      Brian and Lucky

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                        #56
                        The rubber around our windscreen (which is in itself in good nick - no cracks or scratches) has perished greatly, so much so that you can see the foam underneath and I really would like to have it replaced.

                        I bet if I took it in and asked just for a new rubber seal I'd end up with a broken screen that needs replacement.

                        I wonder how much a windscreen place would charge you for a repair. Do you know where the leak it. If you can see it then perhaps windscreen mastic could be used?

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                          #57
                          Well done Swamps! I wondered how you got on. Happy travels to you, enjoy!

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                            #58
                            Swamps It is good to know you have got your van.
                            If it is anything like the van I own and the vans I have owned it will be a constant "To do list" - What I do is prioritise.

                            The screen is annoying - unfortunately it often indicates rust on the lip where the rubber sits. I would suggest you first establish exactly where the water gets in. Then start work - if it is glass to rubber - I would first try to rejuvinate the rubber as with age it gets as hard as concrete. If you have some try spraying with silicone oil or rubbing it with silicone grease may do the job.
                            But far better is Gummi Pflege Rubber Care Stick 100ml - Rubber Treatment.
                            It may pay you to also do the rubbers on the windows on the caravan end.

                            Jon
                            Amor omnia vincit et nos cedamus amori
                            https://smallromahome2oldies1largedo...logspot.co.uk/

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