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    Our Dimension, that is, not me.

    We always seem to take too much gear with us, and I often wonder if we are within the payload limits set by Citroen/Romahome.

    Sooooooooooooooo, last week we loaded up the 'van with -

    full fuel tank

    half full fresh water tank,

    drinking water in bottles and flasks

    "normal" camping gear

    awning, poles and pegs

    bike rack, two bikes, 5 bike panniers loaded with cycling gear

    unemptied toilet casette (unserviced from previous weekend)

    etc, etc

    ........... and we went to visit a weighbridge

    Result - 'van plus driver and one passenger - 40 kg over the permissable Gross Vehicle Weight

    And that was without -

    2 rear seat passengers

    clothes in wardrobe

    laptop

    DVD player

    fresh food

    reading matter

    and sundry other junk that always finds its way into the 'van.


    We managed to shed about 30kg by draining tanks and casette etc, and promptly put an equal amount back in when packing to go away (tomorrow morning)

    Just hope that we don't get stopped for a "routine vehicle check" on the way down to Devon

    Just a thought, when was the last time YOU visited a weighbridge with your fully loaded 'van?

    Barry

    #2
    A good reminder Barry, When we bought our new van, we weren't entirely sure of the payload available so I emptied it completely save for a full tank of fuel, and had it weighed. It was nothing like the figures we'd been quoted but it gave us an ideal starting point.
    We know we haven't overloaded when we've had a few weekends away recently, as we've weighed most things and noted it down before putting it into the van but before we come to Wolverley (the start of a fortnight away) we are planning on revisiting the weighbridge for a fully loaded weight, just to be sure!!

    Enjoy your trip to Devon!!
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      #3
      You will find this problem with a lot a vans that are built outside the UK, my parents have had this problem with a larger motorhome and have just won a legal case as the problem shall we say exceeded a few hundred kilos , it appears that the european models don't have as strict measures as we do here for having accurate weights, so after my parents problems I would recommend anyone buying any motorhome to get to weighed before handing over the cash as some of them have serious weight problems.

      My brother has a bessacar and their weight for his vehicle was accurate, british made can beat it
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        #4
        Originally posted by barry5 View Post
        bike rack, two bikes, 5 bike panniers loaded with cycling gear
        Well get rid of that for a start

        You already have a generous 250 kilo allowance but if you must take all this extra junk how about a phone call to
        http://www.svtech.co.uk/motorhomes.html
        and ask them if they can re-plate it from 3000 kilo to 3300 kilo. The Dimension is built on the Relay Panel Van 30 L1H1 2.2HDi 100hp, the Relay Panel Van 33 L1H1 2.2HDi 100hp is the same size but carries 300 kilo more. The tyre sizes are the same.

        If it is only a paper exercise it is £240 + VAT
        They will need your chassis number.
        Derek Our Berlingo camping car

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          #5
          Mine was on it's knees when Duncan put all his stuff in (plus loads of tins of food =frightened he might starve) to go to the Outer Hebrides.... at one point the skirt things along the sides were rubbing on the wheels, so we had to move everything about...

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            #6
            Motorhome dealers do not pay enought attention to this at all. It is really a serious issue and most motorhomes do not have enough allowance for payload.

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              #7
              I've just checked the Duo Plus notes and see with the extra passenger seats fitted there is nominally only 50kg for stuff. I've taken one out and replaced it with the locker for Wolverley. I had to use thinner bolts to fix the lockers together as there is a problem matching the holes. But that gives an extra allowance.

              Why have they made things so complicated with a caravan years ago. You were just sensible, loaded evenly and kept weight low and no problem. No difficult sums to do to keep legal. I'm O.K. with words but hopeless with numbers and formula.
              Ann

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                #8
                Originally posted by Twinkletoes View Post
                I've just checked the Duo Plus notes and see with the extra passenger seats fitted there is nominally only 50kg for stuff. I've taken one out and replaced it with the locker for Wolverley. I had to use thinner bolts to fix the lockers together as there is a problem matching the holes. But that gives an extra allowance.

                Why have they made things so complicated with a caravan years ago. You were just sensible, loaded evenly and kept weight low and no problem. No difficult sums to do to keep legal. I'm O.K. with words but hopeless with numbers and formula.
                Ann
                Hi Anne, I used to have a Duo Hylo and was mystified as to why the load carrying was reduced from 300kg to 50kg when the back seats were fitted in the plus version. I came to the conclusion that they were allowing for two 75kg passengers as well as the back seats. If you don't have the passengers you have an extra 150kg.
                Derek Our Berlingo camping car

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                  #9
                  So what are the penalties for being overweight? Has anyone ever been stopped and checked? What are the dangers of being overweight if any? (And no I'm not talking about eating too much cake Mr. Yamaha )

                  I must say it's something I never even think about, should I be checking my van or can I just carry on camping in blissful ignorance?
                  Graham
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                    #10
                    I know you can be fined Graham and there are stories on the other motorhome forum of people being randomly checked abroad and fined. This also can happen in this country as well and the police occ decide to target caravans or motorhomes as a saftey issue. It is not common but it does happen. They can then ask you to leave stuff or people on the side of the road before they allow you to drive on. Personally it would not surprise me if this did not become more common.

                    Looking at the payload allowance most are very low indeed and I suspect most motorhomes out there are going around overloaded and it would be a very easy target. People when they buy motorhomes tend not to think of payload very much and often they are not even that accurate so the manufactures concentrate on other issues, like packing in the microwave.

                    If you add 3 passengers to your dimension for instance you immediately get 210Kg knocked off your payload (that is allowing 70kg(11 stone) for each passenger). When you start to add things up it gets quite alarming... and then there are the individual axle weights as I understand it which also have limits.

                    The saftey issue is prob more complex as I understand it some vans are 'underplated' to get around the 3500 limit in which case going over is not a safety issue but a legal one. However I would imagine overloading a vehicle would have consequences.
                    Last edited by Tentpeg; 16-04-2010, 09:44.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Graham View Post
                      So what are the penalties for being overweight? Has anyone ever been stopped and checked? What are the dangers of being overweight if any?

                      'borrowed' from a different forum so I can't say this is absolute fact but,

                      "reading this months MMM and came across this......


                      an overloaded vehicle can be fined as follows.....

                      up to 10% overweight = £60

                      10% up to, but not including 15% =£120

                      15% and over = £200

                      over 30% = court summons.....courts can impose a fine of up to £5000 PER AXLE. Tag axles beware !"

                      The post was from late last year. Hope that helps!
                      Last edited by glenw; 16-04-2010, 12:19.
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                        #12
                        So presuming you get stopped say on a Motorway and they want to know your weight what do they do, how do they weigh your van?

                        I presume you are escorted to a weighbridge.

                        I have seen them lying in wait for vehicles just outside a weighbridge but I thought that was for lorries and commercial vehicles, so perhaps that is the only checks they do and you are ok as long as you avoid driving past one.
                        Graham
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                          #13
                          'Borrowed' again!!




                          " Vehicles are weighed by Traffic Examiners using:
                          • Weighbridges - Dynamic weighbridge equipment comprises a single axle weigher linked to a console. Vehicles are usually weighed whilst in motion but can also be weighed whilst stationary.
                          • Weighbridges - A single weighing plate is connected to an indicating mechanism, vehicles are weighed whilst stationary.
                          • Weighbridges - Comprises of two or more independent static weighing plates connected to a single console. Vehicle are weighed whilst stationary.
                          • Weighpads - Portable Weighpads give the examiner the opportunity to weigh vehicles at locations not normally subjected to weight checks. They are easily transported and can be operated at any suitable site. "
                          Scary hey?!?!?
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by glenw View Post
                            'Borrowed' again!!




                            " Vehicles are weighed by Traffic Examiners using:
                            • Weighbridges - Dynamic weighbridge equipment comprises a single axle weigher linked to a console. Vehicles are usually weighed whilst in motion but can also be weighed whilst stationary.
                            • Weighbridges - A single weighing plate is connected to an indicating mechanism, vehicles are weighed whilst stationary.
                            • Weighbridges - Comprises of two or more independent static weighing plates connected to a single console. Vehicle are weighed whilst stationary.
                            • Weighpads - Portable Weighpads give the examiner the opportunity to weigh vehicles at locations not normally subjected to weight checks. They are easily transported and can be operated at any suitable site. "

                            Scary hey?!?!?
                            Certainly is scarey, so sounds like there is no hiding place. Thanks Glen.
                            Graham
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                              #15
                              Jeeeez!!!! Ive just read through all the posts here and had forgotten about payload, although I do try not to overload with unessentials such as bikes etc, and surely just a 5L bottle of water is enough whilst travelling the, water tanks can be filled onsite.

                              Are there any written guidelines? I bought my van second hand so I dont have all the bumph that comes with a new one that probably would've told me my weight limits.

                              (Barry5 I think you better invest in a trailer)
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