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    Hi there,
    I was reading Martinez 's posts about damage to his side 'fairings' and it occurred to me that I'm probably damaging ours. We live, and like to holiday, in remote areas with lots of single track roads, some of them windy and many of them badly potholed. I frequently hear brief scraping noises which I assume is the Surf bottoming out. We can live with this, but are we causing more than cosmetic damage? We love our Surf, but I sometimes wonder if we would be better with a vehicle that was less likely to bottom out. Any suggestions?

    Cheers
    Gill T

    #2
    Have you thought about spring assisters fitted them on my 2001 surf it gave me about 3 inch more body
    clearance

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      #3
      Thanks, hobo

      Anyone know what is fitted as standard as part of the Nu Vuture Surf conversion on a 2007 Berlingo 1.9L 800TD HDI?
      Looking at the Surf when stationary, it sits square, with the rear not obviously lower the the front. There is, however, one heck of a downward bounce if anyone gets in the back without the steadies lowered.
      And (please excuse my ignorance), I'd be looking at getting spring assisters just for the rear, not also the front?
      Any use thinking about bigger wheels?

      Cheer
      Gill T

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        #4
        Hi gill
        i dont think its normal to fit assisters on the front , the only thing if your thinking of larger wheels i dont know for sure but may change seedo reading also if you fit large wheels on rear only
        means carrying 2 spare wheels

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          #5
          A previous doblo had greyston secondary spring assistors at the rear, and at the front a greyston rubber spacer that fitted in a spiral between one loop of the front springs. It was not as good as the secondary spiral spring at the back because it locked one coil of the spring open but it raised the front and the other raised the back to give clearance and lasted for 4 years like that.

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            #6
            Hi Gill - Dare I recommend another van Only joking and feeling a bit smug - I do not think our demountable on a Toyota Hilux would suffer those problems - and for wild places you cannot beat the big Jap trucks - ours is not 4x4 but many are.
            Seriously spring assisters are great - if your van has leaf springs at the rear Custom Campers may be able to supply a coil spring helper kit (so efficient that in practice although not legally they raise the carrying capacity) - another option may be a Dunlop air helper system - although in my opinion they are a bit fragile.
            Jon

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              #7
              Romahome fitted spring assisters to the rear of their Berlingo based Outlooks. They were MAD coil spring type but Grayston make an equivalent. Easy to fit and they transform the rear of the vehicle. They come in 2 types, standard and heavy duty.

              Not sure which flavour of Berlingo Nu Venture built on but from Citroen they came in 2 van versions, 600kg and 800kg. They also came in a 765kg platform cab and this is what the bulk of the Outooks are based on. Towards the end a few were built on cut down 800Kg vans.

              There have been issues in the past with 3rd parties rebuilding the old model C15 Romahomes on newer C15 vans that were a lower capacity.

              You really need toi know the correct specification of your Berlingo base vehicle

              Peter

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                #8
                I'm no specialist on Berlingos, but I would have thought that the weight load specification would depend entirely on what springs are fitted. If you fit stronger springs, you will have a bigger weight capacity - assuming that you have tyres to the correct weight spec. I can't imagine that there are any chassis modifications on a Berlingo. I guess there might be bigger rear brakes or tyres but you would have to investigate that. Is there a Haynes manual? That might give you the brake sizes or a paragraph about the different weight specs. You could try searching for a Berlingo owners forum - but don't stay there, come back here
                Blessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding. Proverbs 3

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                  #9
                  Pat had had same problem Gill with her nu surf . the tyres were just ordinary ones as they were due for change a set of commercial ie Van tyres were fitted that did help. have you contacted Nu surf ?
                  BuzznDave

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                    #10
                    The 2004 Berlingo had torsion bar rear suspension and it is quite difficult to upgrade without swapping out the whole rear axle

                    Peter

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                      #11
                      Thanks Peter when Pat asked for help the garage said it could not be done.
                      BuzznDave

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                        #12
                        Sorry to be blunt but change your garage.

                        Our 2007 Outlook came with them fitted from Romahome.

                        We broke one and I got w new spring and fitted it at home. It was an easy DIY fix.

                        Search the forum for Ant's advice.

                        What is your location?

                        Peter

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                          #13
                          We had Springs put on our 2002 recently and the difference is amazing.

                          The back is higher and firmer

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                            #14
                            Thanks, all,

                            I have emailed Debbie at Nu Venture to ask if there were any spring modifications made when the Surf was built on the Berlingo chassis. The tyres we have at the moment have the suffix 'C' after the size markings, so assume these are commercial tyres. When we picked up the Surf from Todds in August, just after being serviced and MOT'd, we thought the brakes were hopeless and took it into our garage when we got home. They found the - what's it called? - load adjuster thingy was seized. They freed it and adjusted the brakes as best they could to give us a bit more confidence. Since then we've found that all the tyres were inflated to 60 psi so have adjusted these as per advice here and the label on the inside of the door frame.

                            I don't know what type of suspension we have or what type of springs at present. I'll wait to hear back from Debbie then get our garage to have a look. There seem to be three possible modifications we could consider 1. Spring adjusters in the form of rubber inserts that prevent the springs from compressing fully; 2. Spring adjusters in the form of a second spring that's inserted inside the helix of the original; and 3. Replacement of the original springs with stronger alternatives. I've read some of the pros and cons of each possible modification but most articles were to do with towing caravans. I'd be happy to hear views and comments from motorhomers here.

                            Also, are there any options for changing wheel size?

                            And when it comes to changing the tyres - which will be within the next few months - does anyone have any recommendations? On our cars here on Skye we tend to fit Michelin CrossClimates, but I'm not sure if these are available in a Commercial variant.

                            On a positive note, we are using the motorhome regularly as a second vehicle and also for short breaks and photo excursions. We have a photographer friend 'of a certain age' staying just now and she is loving having a flushing loo and a hot cuppa available whenever required. She has also helped me make a full set of removable cushion covers so we can keep the original upholstery in good nick (for the resale value) and not be too worried about tracking bits of mud inside, or where the dog sits etc. The stinky not-working fridge has gone, and a Halfords coolbox sits in a nice clean cubby hole made in the space where the old fridge was. We've got a lithium powerpack (for another project) which we can bring along if we wildcamp and this will help out the leisure battery. In particular we want to be able to run a fan if we ever have to leave the dog in the motorhome for a few hours, and we have a 12v fan that will run happily off the lithium battery for this.
                            I've looked at a few other campers but haven't found anything better than our Surf for giving us the features we really want. So... just need to sort out these springs and we'll be fine. Until the next little problem!

                            All the best

                            Gill T

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                              #15
                              Hi Gill
                              A few things you need to understand
                              The vehicle is either a 1.9 DW8 or a HDI, it cannot be both.
                              The rear suspension is torsion bar so there are no "springs" The only assistance can be by coil spring assisters as per MAD or Grayston, they are extra coil springs fitted between thde suspension arms and the chassis.
                              We have owned our Romahome Outlook for 12 years since it was new. we run on reinforced tyres with the correct load index (it is dark so I cannot check the specs). we find it happiest with 50psi in the front and 60 psi in the rear. It travels comfortably at 70mph on the motorway.
                              If you are unsure of weights take it to a publkic weighbridge, ofter found in scrapyards etc and get them to weigh and print the weights. This is where knowing the specification of your vehicle comes in. i suspect that under normal trim you will be pretty near your maximum weight.
                              Your Surf has a much greater overhang than our romahome and this has an effect on the loading of the rear axle.

                              Peter

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