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    2014 R20Lo Security

    We came down the other morning to find the van had been broken into (R20Lo). Both the driver and passenger doors were still locked. The back habitation door was shut but unlocked. The toilet compartment door was hanging by a single hinge. Lots of bits and pieces missing - the sort of things that are easy to turn into money like my binoculars, the thumb drive from the radio and anything electrical. They even took the teapot!

    Separately, but possibly related, we started to suffer a recurrence of the back habitation door springing open when driving along at speed. I have tried to make some adjustments, but still getting the issue. I mention it in this post because the door is not quite flush with the rest of the body at the body at the moment. Looks like they may have got in using a screwdriver that has been bent over at about 45 degrees near the top, which they discarded in the van. I'm guessing they managed to somehow wiggle it in and spring open the mechanism?

    Any ideas for making the habitation door on the R20Lo more secure when parked up gratefully received

    BTW I am aware of other threads on adjusting the door so it doesn't fly open when travelling along so I will take a look there again

    Mike & Jane

    #2
    I'm so sorry to hear this. I can't offer any advice about the door fitting or adjusting though, although there are a few threads on here somewhere about alteration.

    I wonder if fitting a Fiamma door lock would help? You would need two if you have a split door perhaps.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiamma-Saf...oAAOSw-W5Uv8A4

    or one of these:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiamma-Sec...4AAOSwJH1ZNxsq




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      #3
      Very sorry to read this and I hope there isn't too much damage. I've also had problems with my 2005 rear door flying open when driving. If it isn't correctly aligned then this happens and it is also quite easy to break in. Keep a set of Torx keys in the van and tweak it as necessary. I adjust mine every few months and, having broken my thumb and slice off the nail when slamming the slightly mis-aligned door last year, I'm highly vigilant about it now for safety as well as security.

      If you're really worried about this, you could add a lashing point to the floor inside and strap the door closed with a ratchet strap but it does mean climbing over the front seats to exit!

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        #4
        Hi I think JayJay's second listing is the solution. If you think about it one of these will (if correctly located) secure both bottom and top doors of a split door set-up. The bonus would be that this device will also prevent the door autonomously springing open while in transit.
        There is a similar handle which is £20 cheaper.

        https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SECURITY-....c100005.m1851

        Take your choice but bear in mind if anyone is really determined and wants to break-in they will do. All we can do is hope our vehicles deter the opportunist thief and send them looking for easier pickings.
        On the subject of security - a few weeks ago the TV showed thieves using a hand-held box to steal top of the range Mercedes - a senior Policeman said if you want to secure your vehicle ignore the electronic gizmos and use a Thatcham approved Steering Wheel cover.
        However a fairly simple aftermarket alarm the type that "ultrasonic scan the interior of the vehicle" and a vibration detector will deter a lot of thieves. This is mid range
        https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAR-ALARM...IAAOSw401aM8yr
        I had one in my kit car and it worked as an adequate deterent - even when the car was parked in a quietish down town car and lorry park during the day.

        Or you go to 4 times as much and your insurance company will like it too
        https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOAD-Ai60...4AAOSw7PBToqI3
        I hope that this helps.
        Jon
        Last edited by kernowjon; 30-12-2017, 18:49.

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          #5
          I think that Toad is a good quality alarm, and that is a good price Jon. I was just looking at the same thing on Amazon but there it was about £50 more expensive. Just watch out that the insurance company will accept it if you fit it yourself- they want you to pay someone £500 to do the job incompetently, but with a certificate. Don't use Skotch loks, always solder and heat-shrink any wiring joints and you'll be OK. You can usually extend the series wired switches to include bikes on a bike rack or something on the roof as well if you want to.
          If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. Mark ch3 v24

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            #6
            Thanks for all the helpful replies. I think I can repair the toilet cubicle door myself Karen so damage overall not too bad, as far as we can tell so far

            It was something along the lines of the Fiamma suggested by jayjay that I was thinking about as it will solve both issues, as Jon points out. The R20 has a single piece door. I would need to look carefully at where on the frame I would be able to position the lock to get a sturdy fixing, and whether the bolts are long enough etc. I was hoping someone on here might have done this already with a similar model of Romahome You only get to drill the holes in the bodywork once and I have no experience of working with or repairing GRP . . .

            I am not keen on alarm systems or anything that is going to cause a nuisance, but then it has been a long time since I had a vehicle that was alarmed

            Luckily the crooklock was in place so little chance of them stealing the actual vehicle. Still they made off with my expensive binoculars which were a present from Jane

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              #7
              Sorry to say it but I think the windows are also an easy way of breaking in. Solution?

              Mike and Jane. Sorry to hear that your pride and joy was broken into. Really upsetting for you. But at least you still have the campervan. Don't let the bad guys spoil it for you.
              Carpe diem! :)

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                #8
                Originally posted by bluesdoctor View Post
                It was something along the lines of the Fiamma suggested by jayjay that I was thinking about as it will solve both issues, as Jon points out. The R20 has a single piece door. I would need to look carefully at where on the frame I would be able to position the lock to get a sturdy fixing, and whether the bolts are long enough etc. I was hoping someone on here might have done this already with a similar model of Romahome You only get to drill the holes in the bodywork once and I have no experience of working with or repairing GRP
                I liked the principle of the 2nd dual-purpose Fiamma lock but would need to look closely at how it could be fitted to a HyLo. It would need to be a flat surface but internally to the offside there is the fridge/hob and to the nearside the sink/cupboard/loo locker which could rule those out. Fixing to the upper section of door might not be practical either. GRP isn't the easiest or cheapest to repair and has to be repaired well or it can be quite obvious. My van had a rear shunt 2 years ago and the first poorly-repaired job failed within the first 5 hours of driving the van down to Cornwall. The re-repair has been excellent, however, but it is quite a specialised job to do it properly and have the facilities for doing so.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NomadSue View Post
                  Sorry to say it but I think the windows are also an easy way of breaking in. Solution?

                  Mike and Jane. Sorry to hear that your pride and joy was broken into. Really upsetting for you. But at least you still have the campervan. Don't let the bad guys spoil it for you.
                  I agree the windows will always be the easy place - even my fixed windows. That is why I said an alarm with a proximity and motion detection sensors is probably the solution. Then you come to budget - that price on the Toad is very cheap and will get a reduction off the Insurance company. Nothing will stop the really determined professional thief stealing to order, but alarms and apparent security devices will deter the opportunist thief - most people who steal from vehicles fall into this category.

                  I have decided to fit the cheaper of the 2 security handles (mainly because I am always afraid the door will open itself) - so I will post some pictures of the fitting process -

                  I may not be an expert but over the years between kit cars, a couple of boats and a Freedom Caravan not to mention a Reliant Robin I have done a bit of work with fibreglass. Basically it will probably require a piece of either plywood or aluminium on the inside to spread the load.
                  Mike and Jane at least with a one piece door you will be able to choose the location by what is on the inside - or what is not on the inside.

                  Jon

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                    #10
                    As already mentioned if they are determined nothing will stop them, but i fitted on of these to the bottom half of our back door.
                    They are cheap and easily fitted and will stop the opportunist thief.

                    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Door-Wind...EAAOSwzaJYAf2I

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bluesdoctor View Post
                      I would need to look carefully at where on the frame I would be able to position the lock to get a sturdy fixing, and whether the bolts are long enough etc. I was hoping someone on here might have done this already with a similar model of Romahome You only get to drill the holes in the bodywork once and I have no experience of working with or repairing GRP . . .
                      Firstly really sad to read your news Mike especially to have the binoculars from Jane stolen

                      As regards the drilling it might be worth asking Ant, he's on holiday at the moment but should be back reading soon.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by kernowjon View Post
                        I have decided to fit the cheaper of the 2 security handles (mainly because I am always afraid the door will open itself) - so I will post some pictures of the fitting process
                        Look forward to hearing how you get on Jon!

                        Meanwhile we be extra careful about what we leave in the van when we're not out camping. A lot of our stuff is crated up, so we could store the crates in the house, along with any valuables like the premium binoculars that were taken in this theft. It's just a case of remembering to put everything back in each time we make a trip. I was always forgetting my binoculars for example!

                        On a specific note, we will have to rethink how we protect our technology while we are away. At the moment I lasso my laptop to the chassis with a Defcon and place it in the hidey-hole behind the driver's seat, but the determined thief with a large enough pair of bolt-cutters could probably defeat that. In the end the laptop itself is replaceable but there are 2 considerations, which apply also to tablets, phones, etc.

                        First is the data. I have all the important stuff backed up to Dropbox, but some of it is sensitive and I would hate it to fall into the wrong hands. I need an encryption strategy, even if just for certain files and/or folders - something I have been thinking about getting round to for a while now

                        The second is fit-for-purpose insurance cover. This theft incident has made me realise that our van insurance makes paltry provision for the theft of personal effects in general, including technology. My household insurance includes generous provision for theft of portable personal items while on the move, including technology, but the excess may be too high for our needs

                        Would value others' opinions and experiences as always

                        Mike

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                          #13
                          Hi Mike, When the lock / handrail arrives I will post as soon as it is fitted. However I agree with Sue there really is no way to keep out the determined thief - and the windows are always the weakest place.
                          I still think the best deterent is an alarm (re my earlier post)
                          DATA security is easier. I would suggest you purchase a couple of USB data sticks (pendrives) - set the laptop up so the USB port becomes your documents. You can either carry the sticks on you when away from the van or store them unobtrusively any where in the van - the dirty laundry may be a good place - no thief would go raking around sweaty socks .
                          Jon

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                            #14
                            I'm not happy with the security on our van! I could easily break the plastic locks on the rear door or the windows! With the upturn in thefts of caravans/motorhomes recently you'd think the manufacturers would have addressed this!

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                              #15
                              I know its not total protecting but i fitted a door and lock to the small opening at the front of our pod and bolted a lockable laptop cable through the floor inside.

                              At least this would slow a thief down !

                              https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAPTOP-LO...kAAOSwQvhZfh3f
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